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or he's home by christmas and the government got their head in the sand and they're ignoring it if been a long standing critic of the war in afghanistan so what brought on this specific out there asked this one it was about the the futility of the of the deaths in the last few days and the utter imbecile lying ministers who come before us and made it excuses for continuing the war there's only one reason why the war is to win and that is to protect the reputations of politicians our soldiers of the as human shields for ministers reputations what they're trying to do is to keep a war going on to the best moment that will reflect on the reputation of politicians so we do the same position the end of us will war when it was said that this war is being prolonged by those that have the power to end the canada that
brought their troops home two years ago so the netherlands fringe new zealanders are coming out early absolutely no reason why you shouldn't bring our troops home now the only reasons that we tied in with the politics of the united states we don't independent state we have to remind ourselves that we can take our own decisions and what we're going to see in the future is deepening trouble they'll be more slaughter because of this whole of this fictitious fictitious aims of the war was seen to collapse happening now there is no possibility that we can train the afghan people and army and police the poor will fight their own people will kill brother afghans for for a corrupt election election rigging the praver president or to differ.
in the interests of a foreign country it can't happen you say that ministers are keeping soldiers in afghanistan to protect their own reputation but how does the deaths of more soldiers protect anyone's reputation the official attitude is we must protect reputations against our previous mistakes and end the war so that history will judge the politicians made the right decisions in fact we've been making the wrong decisions for many years you maintain that what britain is doing is arming and training its future enemies and i suppose there's a historical precedent for that there is a very powerful precedent that the americans trained and armed the mujahideen and the mujahideen are the worst government the afghanis are a hand in one hundred years the taliban were a great reforming improvement to move but we've done this in the polls and we are going to do it again there is no way that
a taliban army or police are going to risk their lives killed their brother afghans in the service of a foreign country when we've gone or in the service of a corrupt a president they going back to their tribal loyalties the. passions will be divided as they always have been divided and the likelihood is that they will be disorder when we leave we went a civil war was going on the country was bitterly divided after we leave after we've left a few years the situation will be very similar they'll bill be more civil war and it likely future rulers will be the taliban what lessons then should have been learnt from both britain's own colonial past and the soviet union's experience in afghanistan in two thousand and one in strasberg a very a bali and member of the duma tapped me on the back and said you british i'm going to after. it's dark and you captured it in
a few days and saying that we russians did that and we were there for ten years we killed a million afghans we spent billions of rubles and we lost sixteen thousand of our own soldiers and when we came out we left a puppet government there but there were three hundred thousand. in the hills who eventually took over and he even said to me it will happen to you and he's absolutely precisely right we deluded ourselves we told ourselves fairy stories about what was going to happen we could change things and we couldn't there was a benign cause that the russians were taken up in afghanistan of taking people into bodden life for giving them a chance to improve materially i mean nothing really happened in the end in we went in decided we're going to get rid of the drugs trade we were ending corruption we
were going to give women a better deal and nothing has changed the corruption is exactly the same possibly as drugs trade today is is ninety percent of the drugs in britain come from afghanistan tony blair told the house ninety percent twelve years later ninety percent of the drugs still come from afghanistan there is a different there is more of the cheaper of the streets and more people corrupted in two thousand and one the afghanistan was the second worst place in the world for a woman to live no it's the second worst place in the war for we're going to live with the object it was of the war was a hopeless were utopian and we've we've wasted lives in a huge sums of money and we end up in two or three years' time with a situation just as bad as the one. before we invaded and let's talk a bit about the logistics and message that pulling out. now would send what about
the soldiers who are serving in afghanistan at the moment those who have already served and the families of the soldiers who've died when pulling out now send a message that everything they've done has been essentially for nothing it's certainly a tragedy those families must go through this trauma of realized that this was a war in which nothing has been achieved but sadly that they have to face that eventually what it would be immoral and cruel is to tell other people the same lies and the people more lives should be lost in order to comfort the bereaved or to comfort politicians who made the right decisions at the moment. is no conceivable reason why you shouldn't start telling the truth to people and say that there isn't this mythical threat. of terrorism in britain
somehow ending by being the afghanistan if we say to the taliban why are you killing our soldiers when they say when we've killed all your soldiers we're coming over to newport and to cardiff and we're going to blow up your streets no interest in that the rule reason the taliban is a killing british soldiers is because we have the foreigners with in for little's with the foot of rain and we're occupying them by force of arms their country it's this sacred religious duty to kill us if we're not there they don't kill us i mean to for the simple argument to understand so what you're saying is that pulling out of afghanistan right now wouldn't affect the security situation in the rest of the world nor not not in the slightest there's security threats they come from pakistan they come from the yemen they come from somalia they come from bradford we have an attack by al qaeda the. people. brought up in england is it not there better to
have the u.s. as friends rather than enemies what kind of message would leaving now send to america which at the moment is that supposedly a trusted friend and ally we have a claim that we are an independent country and we spend billions on an independent nuclear weapon we should be an independent as far as afghanistan is concerned we've already seen countries that we greatly respect and admire some with themselves pulling out of the conflict quite rightly on rudely they've given huge contributions in blood and treasure we should take our own decision we know that at least eighty percent of the population are same for goodness sake bring our boys home by christmas or right message received no troops what about trains drones that are an enormous. problem i believe in that they've altered the rules of war that for the first time ever there's an ability to kill with minute accuracy
enemies in other countries borders don't exist there is hideous problems in the future. a few days ago and eight at least eight innocent afghan army were mean civilians were killed as collateral damage a slight error by a drone that's a problem in itself but the whole morality of warfare as the as drones are affected is an unwritten page nobody is who it is there are no rules for this but when we're in this position know where we have the drones another the enemy's have the drones and it's a totally unequal battle and i believe that the world has to think very seriously about the morality of using drones in warfare and the problem is is that the policies we've been following for so long in afghanistan and iraq is the big. leafe
that you can win hearts and minds with bombs and bullets you can't and the battle of the decades will be willing hearts and minds of making sure that we're building some trust in the world community to be destroyed by part of it by the belligerence and foolishness of our own military operations how do we then turn that around is there a political solution we try to build trust in between ourselves we try to convince the muslim community of the world who who instantly believe any fiction about western society who want to persecute them we've seen the riots that have taken place because of a foolish piece of film but the most of the muslims around the world are prepared to believe that because they've seen that we have double standards we see them that we're not being fair in the israeli power situation and that we've got to be in an attack muslims in in iraq and afghanistan so of course they don't trust us
imagine the riots that we're seeing because of this film about the prophet mohammad obviously there's a large muslim population here at home do you fear that a section of it will be radicalized by what we're seeing throughout north africa in the middle east is i'm sure that the great danger the world faces is that the roads are irrational they're based on nothing really there but the the myth is believed because opinion among muslim communities has been primed to believe that the west is against them and i'm afraid we dangerous situation the tinderbox could go up at any time and in part it's mainly would have been ignited by the foolishness of our military adventures in the last twenty years paul flynn thank you my pleasure.
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stage and make it's come. with all the latest sports. hello and thank you for joining me for the latest sport on this action packed saturday and here are the top stories. out of steam locomotive missed the chance to go joint top of the russian premier league after losing one military compound. while red bull flying sebastian vettel dominates qualifying to clinch is full of pole position of the season for sunday's japanese called three. top two tussle barish wrap of the easiest cost not lead to set up a china open final against wellborn victoria azarenka. but let's kick off with football where lokomotiv moscow have missed the chance to join energy at the top of
the russian premier league after losing one in let's head to cuba and while lockers keeper dario question went out of his way to try and keep his side's goal intact but the croatian just failed to stop what turned out to be the only goal of the game and romania striker called beach into the far post with twenty minutes left and despite the business losing out on fiedler to a second yellow card in the final minutes. on the side hung on for a victory to go fist a lot coast a fault. when they face a battle second bottom or de vere went to within a point of safety after winning to nil it rock bottom volga a penalty by which and with his it is in front of the eleven minutes however the home side were awarded a penalty of their own ten minutes before the break but. sky had the ball over the ball and a last minute free kick from kill him gave mordovia victory and left vulgar four points adrift. while in the late game brazilian down your neck out open for
a line yet ten minutes before the end told but i managed to go a young level with a clear set of just after the hour before now. then netted his second and bruno tennis with the equalized again for the visitors as both sides have to pull away from the relegation zone into the last five minutes they're. now over in england chelsea have gone four points clear at the top of the premier league after coming back from a goal down to win four one at home tonight a second both of nourish the blues rifle grant holt's openly first half strikes from binondo torres from grandpa and then as arm before a late fall from branislav ivanovic elsewhere leighton baines scored a late penalty against his former side as everton twice came from behind a door to to what we can and stay third west brom of false off the holding of a late fine back for a world bottom q.p.r. to win three two so once he came from two goals down to draw two two it had to reading and west ham and not hosting arsenal in the late london davi while champions manchester city remain second after a three note lunchtime win over sunderland ending the visitors unbeaten record and
black cats manager martin o'neill says city over the witness. we will be superior to. i would have very little complaint my complaint obviously is with us. when we had possession of the ball we give it away too easily and if you didn't have time it could have been in further trouble before that. meanwhile same way our madrid coach joe is a merino expects the world to stop and watch his side play at league leaders and arch rivals barcelona in sunday's el classico champions right now off sixth in the alley and eight points behind the catalan giants with just six games going in the new season that's moreno feels the pressure is on both sides to put up a good show. the world stops. everybody wants a big match. and. i would say the street
dealers. have the responsibility to give the world what the wall was. so. but it's a lot of real madrid and. the referee system that have that was possible. well maybe it was a musing debut for former eventers and italy strike i was under delphi arrow in the eye even as the thirty seven year old's new side sydney f.c. lost to mail a new zealand side went to phoenix want me to sign the belgian strike that's the same height as the heaviest gave the hosts the lead right before the break for teenager newly fenton dive to still have a few minutes to go to make it till the hero fails to open his tally down and despite a couple of shots on target in the new zealand capital. now on to formula one and two time defending champion sebastian vettel has claimed his fourth pole position at the season as the red bull team dominated qualifying for sunday's crunch
japanese gong prix the twenty five year old was the only driver to record a lap time under one minute thirty one seconds this isn't a track that a stray in teammate mark webber will also start front row after coming in second round jenson button third fastest on the day but the britain was demoted to eight bottom a great change in his gearbox all the penalty moves kamui kobayashi into. rome and grow jobs lotus will complete the second growth for always fernando alonso will start sixth as the spaniard looked to defend his twenty nine point zero lead ahead of however the german knows who can bridge that gap. you couldn't really ask for more the car felt fantastic from the start i think we didn't have the best start to the week and yesterday morning i wasn't very happy but then we seem to get better every time we go out so we're very pleased with the result very happy the car feels fantastic around here and i was able to pick up a little bit overnight so all in all i think it came together nicely and obviously
we hope for a very good race tomorrow. now into tennis and world number two maria sharapova is set to face top ranked victoria azarenka in the final of the china open after by spencer in straight sets sharapova came back from three one down in the first set against local start nalini and then the french open champion never looked back at securing a six four six love win while as aren't there shrugged off a slow start to outlast marion bartoli six four six two and a ballerina shouldn't be hoping to extend her good form again sure after beating the russian in the last five hardcore battles between the two. while in the men's draw top seed novak djokovic third seed joe wilfried tsonga in the final the serbian act last germany's florian my are in straight sets. six one six four and french and saunders secured a spot in the decider after his spanish opponent but if they are no lopez retired
in the second set due to a left wrist injury. he's been playing really well terrific here the top first round and then after that he's been cruising couple retirements but you know it was he was informing serving big saw it's open you know it's finals we'll see we'll see what happens when we won in japan and world number three andy murray smashed his racquets joining an epic defeat at the hands of big serving milosz niche the olympic and u.s. open champion lost a game and his temper in the second set which he went on to win however radionics prevailed in the decider as the canadian blasted a total of thirteen aces and sealed the deal with another powerful say from mari returned home to go crashing out six three six seven seven six after almost three hours on course for the final round it will play a local favorite kadisha corey is fresh marcos baghdatis six two six two. fun is a basketball where you are
a league runners up tesco moscow are preparing for the new season with a much changed roster and the new italian head coach it already messina younes has more on the army's new recruits. his cast most successful coach of recent times a tour messina he's back in the russian capital after three years of absence during this period the team's dominance domestically has continued in a similar trajectory with cisco within every league title on offer however in the euro league queen's weren't as good as in two thousand and six and again two years later when the muscovites led by the italian coach became champions of the continent they were just seconds away from their seventh ground last year with unesco as low as it was in charge but led the victory sleep into the olympiakos hands despite the loss messina called the team the best in europe last season. obviously they were the best team because the results through the year proved that they were i would say i'm not afraid to use the word dominate. but fortunately
doing this in the championship is assigned with a single game and maybe just one single game he can. prevent you from receiving the trophy troopers are. much water has gone under the bridge to the previous season however not only the captain of the boat because lost cause has abandoned ship but also talisman and regular lenka gordon and alex a shred have left a big hole which need to be filled as a result the plethora of new players were introduced to defense the american trio of aaron jackson sony whims and jew nicholas get on with their sick make of called up to hopefully to scott to new heights. this summer because i mean it's a great organization you know all the way from the organization to the coaching staff to the players you know obviously just to compete at the highest level every year and their missions are always to you know to make the final four into one year
early so as well as all the other competitions that we play and so you know it's i consider it a great honor to play for a club like this and nobly just try to win. and the team has already won a future office pre-season silverware but still still the first leaks cup coming from germany well the most recent one the alexander gorman ski club was claimed at the weekend but the club's ultimate goal is to conquer europe once again and with all the new faces involved it would surely be missing his biggest chimes. of junk agree on thirty more school. and that's what this bill isn't. say.